Using Matthew 18 with MBI’s top leadership? 3 Steps - Already done.


Hello brothers and sisters in Christ and fellow prayer partners,


We have an encouraging (maybe even exciting) topic for this short article. What is that? Matthew 18. But if you think that we are saying that Matthew 18 has not been done yet… you’d be mistaken. You see, long before this team here at got involved, the process of Matthew 18 has been going on – it has been going on for years. Who started this Matthew 18 process by correcting and questioning the sins and deception of various leaders at MBI and Moody Church? We would like to thank all of them for helping to start working on restoring Moody Bible Institute back to the oath that D. L. Moody gave to God. The fact is that there are many who did each of the steps of Matthew 18 – long before God brought it to our attention in January of this year (2018).


But, before we get to the helpful conclusion of what to do next at Moody (Step 4) – let’s first look at the text of Jesus’ words in Matthew 18.


15 Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. 18 Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven. 19 Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in Heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.” (Matthew 18:15-20)


So to review those verses briefly, notice there are 4 steps to this process:

1)    If a brother or sister in Christ (or someone who claims to be in Christ and insists on being in Jesus’ Church), sins against the believers – go and talk to this person and confront them with their wrong actions, offenses and sins between you and him (or her) alone.

2)    If that brother in Christ (or false brother in Jesus’ Church) refuses to listen to that one person leading toward a genuine repentance and correcting of their errors, lies, sins, etc – then take 1 or 2 witnesses with you and go talk to him again together reasoning with him and calling him to repent.

3)    If that brother in Christ (or false brother in Jesus’ Church) refuses to listen to you and then refuses to listen to you and your witnesses, then go tell it to the Church – that is the “Ekklesia” the gathering of believers. This application of Church as the gathering of believers has a local or city-wide or even nation-wide aspect to it depending on what position the person holds in leadership of Jesus’ Church and how many problems he is creating with his sin. So step three is to have the gathering of believers plead with this man to repent.

4)    Then, lastly, if this brother in Christ (or false brother) refuses to listen to you, then to you and other witnesses, then to the entire gathering of believers who are affected - even after everyone has tried to reason with him and explained the damage caused by his sin and he has refused to listen, repent, and change – then communicate with him as an unbeliever, pagan, and tax-collector. Why? Because this “brother” has refused to listen to Jesus’ words, and to the Holy Spirit speaking through those who fear the Lord, follow Christ, and heed Jesus’ words. He is not only rejecting men of God, he is rejecting God.  So, treat him as what he is acting as (or actually is) – an unbeliever, heathen and deceitful man. And notice that when God inspires people to take a Biblical stand against sin, God takes action too… to help get the facts out so that the problem can be resolved and does not continue to hinder the message of the gospel of Jesus and the maturing process of His Church.


Do you realize how many, many people have tried to reason with Paul Nyquist, and then with Greg Thornton, and with everyone who were accomplices in the evil firings and wrongdoing in finances and other scandals? Do you realize how many people have talked to Ed Cannon about his part in this? And to Erwin Lutzer? And to Jerry Jenkins? And to Randy Fairfax? And to Paul Johnson? And to Mark Wagner? And to Ed Stetzer? And to Gregg Quiggle? And to Larry Davidhizar? And to Dennis Fledderjohann? And to Kit Dennison? And to Rick Warren? And to Randall Dattoli? And to Michael Milco and so many others in this corrupt top-leadership at MBI?

We know for certain, by the public testimony of some – via blogs and letters – and by first-hand conversations, that these leaders have been addressed privately and publicly. And then God used Julie Roys and the team at “The Broken Twig” and others like that to get the attention of the wider Moody family – including their donors and prayer partners - like our team. With this many people confronting these leaders – the first 3 steps of Matthew 18 are done. You did it. We did it. We all did it. They are without excuse.


And that is exactly what people like Julie Roys have said too – Steps 1 thru 3 of Matthew 18 are done.



The third and fourth steps that Jesus taught us have needed to be worked out and completed for many years toward a wide range of sins of leaders at Moody Church and Moody Bible Institute. As their sins increases and became more complex and extensive, God took the discussion to a wider audience of His Church to find honorable servants who will help correct the problems as a team. As soon as these sins in Moody leadership became a visible discussion among unbelievers and even on a national/international level (as this discussion at Moody is), it was not a local Church situation anymore. Also Moody trains young people for ministry and this leadership affects ministry around the world. So any sins that are not dealt with sometimes continue on in many other places of ministry. So it never was a small matter that was to be kept quietly dealt with by only close companions of the executives at Moody Bible Institute. Keep in mind that very often, the people who are vocally forcing everyone to keep a matter quiet like this are the ones who are participating in and accomplices in the sin – and that is the case here with these top-leaders at MBI. No one has yet treated them as unbelievers and crooked Roman tax-collectors, but we need to.


So, the next question would be – okay, so what do we do now? Now we need to work together to enforce Step 4. The leaders who refuse to listen to God’s Word and the voice of those who love God’s Word are treated as unbelievers. The leaders who continue to mix false teaching with God’s Word and pretend that it’s fine – we should communicate with them as we would unbelievers. The leaders who overlook sexual crimes or sins and/or are doing the same sins – should be understood very likely to be unbelievers.  Those leaders who don’t believe the Bible is the Word of God and given by God “all Scripture is God-breathed…” (2nd Timothy 3:16) – need to be seen as unbelievers. Those who were involved in wrongly firing people – people who were trying to stop the corruption and were trying to hold dishonorable leaders accountable – those corrupt leaders who were part of wrongly firing honorable people, they need to be removed from leadership and understood to not be leadership of Jesus’ Church. Very often, we find that they never had hands laid on them by believers to become leadership of the Church, and very often it was actually jesuits, scoffers, masons, and satanists in seminaries, Bible schools, or churches who intentionally are nominating unbelievers for “leadership” in the Church. Notice that Matthew 18:18-20 requires those witnesses who confronted the sin – to then agree together in a solution that would restore the gospel and truth to prominent focus in the gathering of believers. And when there are even two or three of us who were witnesses to the continual sin, when we stand against it and agree to remove it from among our assembly and agree to take spiritual authority regarding the false brother and fallen brother (and anyone else who was confused by, participated in, or agreed with his sin), then God is very much in agreement with us to help us in that solution.


At this point, everyone should be clear that all of the guys we named (and other people whose actions are more secret) have been working together and covering for each other. So they are all caught together. We and others have linked them together several times. You can find in our on our main article page


Others have caught them too. Julie Roys, Broken Twig, Rich Weber, MBI students, and MBI faculty, and many alumni have caught some of these top leaders and reported on them as well. All of these men (and a few more that we haven’t named) switch roles when one person gets caught to pass it onto another person in their little secret group, so they can keep moving forward with the same agenda. They have all been caught multiple times, but no one went to step four to quit calling them by honorable titles.


So, how do we do step four, as Jesus taught it? Well, as usual, it’s going to take a team. So, if you are at Moody – start (or keep) taking notes, and share or publish them, calling out the violations of Scripture that God allows you to see. If you are not at Moody, watch for what you can catch that needs to be called out for correction publicly. And above all – pray! God knows how to help those who fear Him and are close enough to these evil leaders to stop them, to help them do so. And those are the God-fearing leaders that God considers to be the true leaders of the Church – those who direct toward righteousness. God will support us and back us up in visible ways by His work to show the truth of each matter. And those who want to be part of what God is doing will help and pray and support with whatever gifts God has given them.


Do you believe that the Word of God is God’s Words? We know you do. Do you believe that God blesses His children when they act in obedience to His Word? Then we should do that in faith. Do you recognize that these people have given their firm answer against God quietly? You need to believe them when they confirm again and again that they hate God’s ministry and are trying to silence the Bible and the gospel of Jesus. Do you believe that these people are wrong and that it’s been shown? We know you do. So, what did Jesus tell us in Matthew 18:15-20 to do? Treat them as unbelievers and tax-collectors, not as interim presidents, vice presidents, deans, board of directors, provosts, professors, etc. If you obey God’s Word, what do you think God will do? Hint – 2nd Timothy 3:8-9 – “Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly will be made known to all as theirs also was.” (2nd Timothy 3:8-9)



And by the way, Dwight Moody is among that cloud of witnesses in Heaven agreeing with us and hoping that we will agree with him to have a school that preaches the gospel boldly and that low-cost trains young men and women to serve others and to live in holiness toward God and to find effective ways to introduce the gospel into culture so others can hear it. Hebrews 12 talks about this: “Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” (Hebrews 12:1-2)

We have noticed a pattern of masons and jesuits and people who secretly hate God’s righteousness have infiltrated positions of leadership in many ministries, Bible schools, seminaries, and churches. All of us Christians need to see that as a big plan of the devil, and oppose it and work to reverse it. DL Moody also warned about masons as a persistent problem in false “leadership” of churches around him even when he was alive.


The good news is that we are seeing large evidence that Christians are against these evil leaders, and praying for an opportunity to not have mockers and satanists in supposed “leadership” over them while they try to do the work of ministry at Moody campus and in churches around the country.


If you understand this Biblical rebuke against the unbiblical top-leadership at Moody - as being led by God, you’re right. Please share it with others.


As we work together, we can see Moody restored to D. L. Moody’s oath to God. Let us all speak up and pray to this end!


~ Watching, Preaching, Praying

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